Curse

DreamRunner · Nov 08, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by Drakken Breathes Fire

You're absolutely right, our dollar was worth a lot more back then. BECAUSE we made so much less of it. IT's value went down when more of it became available as the cost of living increased. So in reality, it equalled itself out.

Todays problem; lack of morals, too much money. But we still think it's okay to take more when we can.

Everything was harder back then. There werent as many unions. LAbour laws were drastically different. Gender biases the whole works. But I'm sure you knew all that. Guess what, black people also had to sit at the BACK of the bus. Also, as far as your friend at the bank goes, it's probably her resume and lack of ambition that keeps her as a mere teller. If not just laziness and over pampered lifestyle. You can have whatever degree you want. If you have no experience and no drive, you work at McDonalds or some other dead end job.

The money is out there if you want to work. Higher than 30k a year fresh out of school? Learn a trade. Learn to actually be good atr something and show people you can work. A good tradesman will hit over $90/hr with over time.
(If one is willing to work overtime that is.) The problem today is nobody is willing to work. Nobody is willing to take the extra shifts or overtime, nobody is willing to do the dirty gritty jobs. They all wanna go to university or college and learn to sit behind a desk all day far away from machines and sharp objects. Real work isn't nearly glamourous enough. Though it was just fine for our parents and their parents and so forth.

Sorry to point that out.

I'm going to bit this just once. And not again.

Equals out? Oh my god. Clearly you can't get it passed your head that different times means different problems. There's to many variables in society to actually compare. I Laughed at "to much money" though, do you live under a rock? Is the lack of morals the reason why so the gap between rich and poverty is so big today? Is that why people who were born in the mid 40s to the early 60s(baby boomers) have such a hold on our society now?

Hah, unions! They aren't always a good thing. Hell, come to here to Australia and see how the labor party is dominate by union officials. But what they're meant to do, yes its a good thing. However, you don't need to give me a history lesson, although since you are just attacking everything here in todays society, let me hint on why she is a bank teller. She is a bank teller because a master in commerce degree isn't helping her to go anywhere today in the business world, however whether she enjoys doing it, is another matter.

Although I do wonder if you are so dense or rather have you worked at all? The more you speak about how the past is so much harder, the more I think you are an 15 year old still in school. I really want to know if you have worked at all. Because of your from your comments such as "no one is willing to work" and "no one is willing to work overtime or extra shifts" is stupid and ignorant. "real" work" as you say gave me a chuckle too, not because you probably don't know what "real" work is but because you generalize the business community and people who do a desk job. Here is some advice, Why don't you go watch office? While a funny movie, I can see how you probably won't get it. I am sorry too that we have such stupid and ignorant people, but you know what they say "ignorance is bliss".

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

Amazing ....

From 'If you found a wallet ' to 'Economics: past and present'.

I'll have some of that coffee, please.

I tried to hint Divinity's Creature, doesn't look like it worked. Oh well, more posts for me.

Drakken Breathes Fire · Nov 08, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

I'm going to bit this just once. And not again.

Equals out? Oh my god. Clearly you can't get it passed your head that different times means different problems. There's to many variables in society to actually compare. I Laughed at "to much money" though, do you live under a rock? Is the lack of morals the reason why so the gap between rich and poverty is so big today? Is that why people who were born in the mid 40s to the early 60s(baby boomers) have such a hold on our society now?

Laziness and people not keeping their d*ck in their pants are the reasons theres such a large gap between rich and poor today. Truthfully there isn't even a rich or poor, theres upper, middle and lower middle class. And it seems any bratty kid with the internet knows this.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Hah, unions! They aren't always a good thing. Hell, come to here to Australia and see how the labor party is dominate by union officials. But what they're meant to do, yes its a good thing. However, you don't need to give me a history lesson, although since you are just attacking everything here in todays society, let me hint on why she is a bank teller. She is a bank teller because a master in commerce degree isn't helping her to go anywhere today in the business world, however whether she enjoys doing it, is another matter.

Then maybe she shouldn't have gone to school for a Master in Commerce.
Maybe she should've tried something else, after all all she'd have to do is get a student loan. *gasp.*

Unions make sure you have health benefits and are protected at the workplace. Of course they also like to go on strike because again, people are lazy and always out for themselves. Can't keep their hands out of someone elses 'lost wallet' so to speak. We want more for doing less.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Although I do wonder if you are so dense or rather have you worked at all? The more you speak about how the past is so much harder, the more I think you are an 15 year old still in school. I really want to know if you have worked at all. Because of your from your comments such as "no one is willing to work" and "no one is willing to work overtime or extra shifts" is stupid and ignorant. "real" work" as you say gave me a chuckle too, not because you probably don't know what "real" work is but because you generalize the business community and people who do a desk job. Here is some advice, Why don't you go watch office? While a funny movie, I can see how you probably won't get it. I am sorry too that we have such stupid and ignorant people, but you know what they say "ignorance is bliss".

I tried to hint Divinity's Creature, doesn't look like it worked. Oh well, more posts for me.

LOL You bring my age into this, and whether I work, as if it's somehow relevant or even comes close to discrediting ANYTHING I have said?

You live in Australia, a society that started from British convicts and low-lifes marooned in no mans land. That's just as 'discrediting' (which is, if you havent figured out by now, not very.) As for my age, not important, in the least.
I'm not gonna state either because no matter what I type, you can choose not to believe me no matter what. What I WILL point out is, yes I do work, I have worked full time since the day I was 13 at one job or another. I've been given honorary titles and positions on several occasions and I make well above minimum wage currently, I'm also a 'supervisor.'

While I agree, Working in an office can be mentally exhausting where other jobs are physically exhausting (as well as dangerous)
I also live in a time where kids cry and whine that their boss makes them 'work on their birthday.' (They'd much rather go out partying and drinking.) I'm sorry, but I've worked every birthday I've had since I was 13, There comes a certain point where birthdays become more and more meaningless and the things in life that do matter, family, morals, taking care of yourself and others, has greater importance.

In an 'anarchist' society, (I like how you used anarchy previusly it was cute btw.) These 15 year olds you described wouldn't survive. They wouldn't have money of their own to lose much less be safe if they did. It'll be the big strong working classmen, calling the shots, it'll be the sneakiest and most treacherous, who breaks their skull and takes what he needs to feed his family, rather than them saying 'Hey free wallet. Yes plox' and treating themselves to Coffee and chips. There will be no coffee and chips, those shops windows would be kicked in and the cash register and fridge emptied in a riot or something. Afterall there's no law.

Most 15 year olds don't understand the utter chaos true anarchy even implies, and wouldn't survive because of it.

StueyG · Nov 08, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

All I was stating is that there have been polls past and present. In the past, people helped each other out more. They did the same poll (about finding a wallet) and most everyone said they would keep the cash or such.

Also I was not debating that it is not extremely hard now. Things have ALWAYS been hard. Life is tough. Get over it - it's not "tougher" now, but people help out quite a bit less.

And I'm glad to hear you help others out DreamRunner. But you say you "help others" then if you find a wallet with cash you would keep the cash.

Also have to agree that most people do not want to have to actually work much now days. The job I'm at everyone just wants more money but complain when they have to come in and work late. And when I was working with a tree company we had people work 2 days then just quit. I had a friend that used to make fun of us because doing tree work all day in the heat we'd come home and take a nap - then he started working for us and barely did anything but kept talking crap about how 'easy' the job was. He would stand there and watch my mom carry two logs and do nothing. I know tons of people that treat work like that. The day he finally "worked" he was about to pass out. He just wanted to make money and not work hard like everyone else.

I also have many friends from Australia, and many that currently live there and they are living just fine.... actually the point of my comment about helping the homeless and such is the fact that you are griping about uni costs when people are still living with nothing. I have friends in Guatemala that live on 40 bucks a month in a shack that would return a full wallet to the owner.

-As for the post about me "QQ'ing" ..... um okay. Right. If you can't leave a post that is actually worth reading don't post. I was actually making the point that life is not fair.

Diddy bow · Nov 08, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

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Originally Posted by StueyG

All I was stating is that there have been polls past and present. In the past, people helped each other out more. They did the same poll (about finding a wallet) and most everyone said they would keep the cash or such.

Also I was not debating that it is not extremely hard now. Things have ALWAYS been hard. Life is tough. Get over it - it's not "tougher" now, but people help out quite a bit less.

And I'm glad to hear you help others out DreamRunner. But you say you "help others" then if you find a wallet with cash you would keep the cash.

Also have to agree that most people do not want to have to actually work much now days. The job I'm at everyone just wants more money but complain when they have to come in and work late. And when I was working with a tree company we had people work 2 days then just quit. I had a friend that used to make fun of us because doing tree work all day in the heat we'd come home and take a nap - then he started working for us and barely did anything but kept talking crap about how 'easy' the job was. He would stand there and watch my mom carry two logs and do nothing. I know tons of people that treat work like that. The day he finally "worked" he was about to pass out. He just wanted to make money and not work hard like everyone else.

I also have many friends from Australia, and many that currently live there and they are living just fine.... actually the point of my comment about helping the homeless and such is the fact that you are griping about uni costs when people are still living with nothing. I have friends in Guatemala that live on 40 bucks a month in a shack that would return a full wallet to the owner.

You make a good point, a very good point. But the main reason why people arn't so generous and helpful to people outside their family/friends is because there are not so many people that need the help today. Look aorund you (depending on your country ofc) people dont need help today as they used to so they are better off, and if you are so poor that you need help most of the time you recive benifis from the government. If you find a wallet with a fiver in it, chances are the guy can go without it, still form what youve said i'd think twice now if i did...

Accursed · Nov 08, 2007, 04:37 AM // 04:37

i'd return it

2 posts above me are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! some people aren't so generous to giving back other people's wallets.

big papi · Nov 08, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

if there was a condom in the wallet i would take it....

usually people dont roll with a ton of billz in their wallets nowadays so i would return it

A11Eur0 · Nov 08, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

I'm going to expand on my previous statement.

If I were to lose my wallet with money inside, and it was returned to me and I knew who it was, I'd give them whatever money was inside, as a show of gratitude.

Muspellsheimr · Nov 08, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by Drakken Breathes Fire

In an 'anarchist' society, (I like how you used anarchy previusly it was cute btw.) These 15 year olds you described wouldn't survive. They wouldn't have money of their own to lose much less be safe if they did. It'll be the big strong working classmen, calling the shots, it'll be the sneakiest and most treacherous, who breaks their skull and takes what he needs to feed his family, rather than them saying 'Hey free wallet. Yes plox' and treating themselves to Coffee and chips. There will be no coffee and chips, those shops windows would be kicked in and the cash register and fridge emptied in a riot or something. Afterall there's no law.

Most 15 year olds don't understand the utter chaos true anarchy even implies, and wouldn't survive because of it.

It appears you have no complete understanding of what anarchy is. Anarchy is not chaos, and is often not used as lawlessness (although chaos is often an end result, causing the common relation of them).

Anarchy is instead simply the state of no upper governing body or "ruler", and is often closely related to Direct Democracy, or Pure Democracy - namely wherein sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens who choose to participate.

As a side note - I will not get involved in the discussion of wealth & money, or working issues. I will also likely not look at this thread again, so replies directed at me will be of little effect.

azzer20 · Nov 08, 2007, 10:53 AM // 10:53

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Who is trolling? This is a really random comment.

If you have 500 dollars in your wallet as in CASH. You deserve to loose your wallet.

I always have around 2000-dollar in my wallet, but i never lost it, funny ain't it that some can take care of their wallet, come on if i lost my wallet i would never expect to see my money again, but i'll never loose it anyway

FreakTheMad · Nov 08, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by azzer20

I always have around 2000-dollar in my wallet, but i never lost it, funny ain't it that some can take care of their wallet, come on if i lost my wallet i would never expect to see my money again, but i'll never loose it anyway

Well reason you wouldn't expect it back is because of ppl thats been posting in here arguing it's right to steal someone elses money. But still would of been nice to see it back wouldn't it?

azzer20 · Nov 08, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by FreakTheMad

Well reason you wouldn't expect it back is because of ppl thats been posting in here arguing it's right to steal someone elses money. But still would of been nice to see it back wouldn't it?

I never lost and and won't ever loose it, and no i am one of those who wouldn't give it back actually, if i lost my wallet it's my own fault

Dante the Warlord · Nov 08, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

I would take the money and return the wallet, NOT in person lol. Those Identification cards are such a hassle and credit cards, so i would sympathize. Although on the other hand if it were a good looking girl i might just give the wallet back in person...

greenreaper3 · Nov 09, 2007, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by Alex Dimitri

ok.....who has my wallet ???

not me

return it if a purse or some ladys wallet...

if a man... id take about 50-90 percent of the cash, leave the cards..unless he looked like a real nice guy...

return to cops...

i would NOT take all... they would ask.. did u take any of it? i mean... its empty :P

BTW

once i was at the park at a ice cream vendor thing... a guy took out his wallet, pulled out the cash, and left his wallet on accident... i picked it up and was gonna give it back, but the vendor said wait

and he took it and put it in his back pocket

Gigashadow · Nov 15, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

If you find someone's wallet, you give it to the person, with everything still in it.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Whirlwind · Nov 15, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

If it was a lot of money i would take some and turn in the wallet with the rest. I'm poor as hell, rich people can afford to help pay my rent instead of spending that extra cash on material stuff. The sad thing is most poor people work harder then rich peeps, manual labor vs sitting at a desk or talking on the phone.

Whirlwind · Nov 15, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by greenreaper3

once i was at the park at a ice cream vendor thing... a guy took out his wallet, pulled out the cash, and left his wallet on accident... i picked it up and was gonna give it back, but the vendor said wait

and he took it and put it in his back pocket

now THAT, is cold.

Cale Roughstar · Nov 15, 2007, 11:07 PM // 23:07

I hate it when people say that if you lose your wallet it is your fault and you deserve to never see it again. Sometimes a person made a mistake, maybe the wallet just FELL out? It is the golden rule folks, treat others as you wish to be treated yourself. If you lost yours, wouldnt you like to have it back with all the money and credit cards inside and untouched?

I would definitely return it with full contents.

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Originally Posted by greenreaper3

BTW

once i was at the park at a ice cream vendor thing... a guy took out his wallet, pulled out the cash, and left his wallet on accident... i picked it up and was gonna give it back, but the vendor said wait

and he took it and put it in his back pocket

Wow, I would have gone and told the guy what the vendor just did and/or punched the vendor

Brianna · Nov 16, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

If it was a lot of money i would take some and turn in the wallet with the rest. I'm poor as hell, rich people can afford to help pay my rent instead of spending that extra cash on material stuff. The sad thing is most poor people work harder then rich peeps, manual labor vs sitting at a desk or talking on the phone.

Yeah, but most manual labor doesn't take much education or brains to do, Hence why it pays little. Opposed to office jobs.. usually requires education and intelligence of some forms, of course jobs can variate, but in general you catch my drift.

And if I found a wallet, I'd return it to the person without taking anything, Just as I'd want someone to do for me if I lost my belongings.

Cale Roughstar · Nov 16, 2007, 03:20 AM // 03:20

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

If it was a lot of money i would take some and turn in the wallet with the rest. I'm poor as hell, rich people can afford to help pay my rent instead of spending that extra cash on material stuff. The sad thing is most poor people work harder then rich peeps, manual labor vs sitting at a desk or talking on the phone.

NOTE: the following rant is not directed at Whirlwind in particular!

It is not fair to expect people who are wealthier than you to pay for what you need! They do not live to ensure that you live and are happy, but they DO live to pursue their own happiness! To say that they can afford it is making a very great assumption. What if that person works 60 hours a week and he just cashed his paycheck and it is all in that wallet? Do you think it fair that he spend 40 hours of work for your sake?

Also @ your second point that manual labor is harder than office work is a bit like comparing weight lifting to math class is it not? Both are hard in their own aspects. Saying that manual labor is harder simply shows that you lack an understanding of what happens at desk jobs, just like many White-Collar workers do not understand the strength required to perform Blue-Collar jobs.

sagilltwins · Nov 16, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21

last time i found a wallet was in like 7th grade i think.... been so long....

I remember I took the money about 10 bucks then i just put the wallet back where i found it... on the ground XD